Uniform Insignia Forum

Helios88

I started a wiki called Fictional Semiotics which deals with fictional visual identity (Flags, emblems, uniforms, etc...) feel free to contribute. The only limit is that it must come from a professionally published IP (book, movie, video game, TV series, etc...) and not a personal creation. https:/...

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Lord Cybran wrote:Okay guys, first rank chart, based on first post.

As today, is the Royal Navy in charge for UK military space activities?

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Hey Helios88 - glad you liked it! smilies-23 Now that I mentioned police force, I'm thinking about firefighters. Should we have local firefighter corps on each town, like in the US, or should we have a big, global one? I've made a new set of insignia based on the others I'd already made, assuming t...

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Cool depiction

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Cool insignia! :)

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The shoulder boards are good. The combination of 2 colors in order to define arm of service is also good. My main objection is with regard to the full color shoulder board. It's my fault here that I've didn't get from the beginning the whole idea. I've erroneously understood that shoulder boards wi...

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First of all, here my shoulder board rank insignia. [img]http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr182/Macharius88/Tavola%20delle%20insegne%20di%20grado%20degli%20Ufficiali%20inferiori%20e%20superiori_zpsdvpsoddm.png[/img] From left to right: Protector of the Protectores Domestici Centenarius of the Arti...

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Wow, I like the orbiculi and the color of the shoulder straps! As for the stripe, I would not use only yellow, but different colors, upon the arms branch. Let's say red for infantry, yellow for armored, black for engineers, purple for army aviation, light blue for special forces and so on. There ar...

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[img]http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr182/Macharius88/Prova%201_zpso5sma706.png[/img]

[img]http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr182/Macharius88/Prova%202_zpsdpwhedqb.png[/img]

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: - Protector (Second Lieutenant): shoulder board with one lengthway branch of arm colour stripe on the middle of the shoulder board and an orbiculus "star" on the stripe. Protector of the regular infantry

: - Protector (Second Lieutenant): shoulder board with one lengthway branch of arm colour stripe on the middle of the shoulder board and an orbiculus "star" on the stripe.
Protector of the Praetoriani/Protectores Domestici

Two drafts, differing for the orbiculus format.

Helios88

I am extremely impressed by your work. I will try to figure it out and I'll post the results.

If anyone else desires to intervene, it would be an honour for me.

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I was forced to quit the reasoning, now I'll try to resume it. We have two ways in order to deal with modern Roman uniformology. On one hand, we may adopt the conservative/Roman with guns way: togae, tunics, a sidelined use of bracae, and all, with minor variations. On the other hand, we may proceed...

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Re Constabulary/Gendarmerie: if it has military police duties (like France's Gendarmerie), then military ranks are appropriate (but see below). However, famous English-language gendarmeries (the Royal Irish Constabulary, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the British South African Police) used poli...

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I think it is a good arrangement. Now, we have to devise clothing evolution, i.e. uniformology. Here we go into pure speculation. Therefore I can only describe what I imagined for this Roman Empire, obviously explaining why. Given the contemporary military technology, which is the base of our reason...

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Maybe the civilian constabulary may retain civilian rank titles

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Everyone's contributions, including those critical, are more than welcome! I am deeply honoured by critiques and comments. If I may, I would not mix Principate era (1st to 3rd century era ranks) with those from the later period (4th-6th). If we stick to the late era, then there is no place for: 1. I...

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Ok, now I submit you an outline of the Roman Army as of 2771 A.U.C. (i.e. 2018 AD). I will follow RaduLaur66's suggestions with some my own interpolations. Once we'll reach a coherent structure, the time of actual insignia will come. First of all, units and formations: A Platoon equivalent: Manipulu...

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I am literally speechless :O

You've done a splendid study, now it is time to elaborate a coherent rank hierarchy and figure out insignia, but I am very admired!

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If the force is a Gendarmerie, i.e. a military corps with police duties (also military police/provosts?), there is little reason to adopt "civilian" titles for officers' ranks. :-)

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Maybe these will not just "hypotetical" ranks.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/preside ... ranch.html

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Ranks up to Captain use the Army system, don't they?
I think they may be renamed as "Physician" 1st and 2nd class and "Probationary". :)

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I think in this way services retain their pattern uniformity, but at the same time also retain a certain degree of individuality.

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Stars may be replaced by the emblems of the individual services.

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The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem is a catholic order of knighthood. in addition to the usual jewelry, it uses beret patches as rank insignias: [url]http://insignias.wikia.com/wiki/Equestrian_Order_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre[/url] The Crown of Thorns on the badge of Knight of the C...

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Ater some further study, I'd propose the following organization. I decided to loosely inspire the modern Roman Empire to the McCallum saga "Romanitas". I assumed that, as of 28th Century A.U.C. (21st Century AD), there is a substantial social homogeneity, which allows to avoid the distinct...

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Cool!
I noticed several times that French general-officers and equivalents have a star more than stars which would be necessary in other countries.

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Yeah, that seems reasonable -- and if you think of the way that successive European conflicts like the Wars of Austrian Succession and the Napoleonic Wars played out, that's pretty much what happened. As a side question, your mentioning of the Mediterranean made me wonder: how would a Roman navy fi...

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Well, I may imagine that, around 25th Century A.U.C. (i.e. 18th Century A.D.) technological devices such as relatively widespread and relatively reliable firearms and "fire" artillery may be influence even an Army already accustomed to manage large formations. Therefore, on the lower ranks...

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Thanks to Medic-in-Uniform's post, this thread is too interesting to be let to drown :D

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Here I am. :D I was on vacation these days. First of all, I'd make my compliments to Medic due to the extensive reflection he/she has provided to the discussion. :) Second, I'll try to answer to some questions Medic made in the post about the evolution or to better say I'll try to offer a possible a...

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Great work! :D
Are there some missing rank insignia? O.o

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If we accept the idea of an evolved Roman Empire, towards modern methods of warfare, find an interesting situation: the officers corps directly derives from the chivalry and, often ostensibly, officers perform the same duties knights once performed. On the other hand, the Roman military DID NOT have...

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I'm very curious about possible developments.:D P.S. After only 4 years I gained my first star on the first shoulder board! I'm very proud. :D Complimenti, signore sottotenente:) Thanks a lot. :D P.S. In Italian the final "E" of "Signore" is omitted when followed by a name or a t...

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What kind of indigenous traditions do they have?

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Well, my wondering took the assumption that the basic structure would remain unchanged, so ranks up to major being a sole stream from Miles Gregarius to Primus Pilus or even Praefectus Castrorum. Tribunes, as staff officers, would be distinguished from both Legates and above ranks and from Centurion...

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I am working on an alternate-history universe where the Roman Empire survived to this day, its military force structured along modern lines but with the obvious uninterrupted military tradition flowing from good old times. The most interesting aspect is about the flow NCOs-company level officers. As...

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Very cool. Would Catalonia be a republic? The proponents of Scottish independence, for example, make a big point of an independent Scotland's remaining a monarchy. Catalan independentism is strongly opposing against Monarchy, also because the Bourbon dynasty unified the various realms, which previo...

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It is a good logic.

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The image is very nice, like all other insignia shown in this page, but I wonder wether (Waffen)SS would had used a susch traditional military insigna such as crossed batons. At least from a graphic point of view, but also in other fields, they rejected the distinction between Officers and enlisted ...

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Nice work!

However, imho the Nazi fuhrerprinzip excludes the belonging of the Fuhrer to the ordinary chain of command, even if at its top.

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marcpasquin wrote:SS-volksmarschall, first recipient was Sepp Dietriech.

[img]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9335/qlmf.jpg[/img]

A step below the SS-Reichsfuhrer?

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I am very sorry for the low quality of the work, but I am barely able to run GIMP. I moved from excellent marcpacquin's work. [img]http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr182/Macharius88/Immagine-1_zpsde62643d.png[/img] In this proposal, senior ranks lose the rank of Brigadier (and get that of Brigadie...

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I doubt that British style would be kept in a republican Scotland. Maybe a sort of merge between modern German/Italian/Spanish/French style and British style: the most important change would occur to insignia for field officers (Major to Colonel). Thus, Major would be assigned current Lieutenant Col...

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A rank system without gaps (at least in graphic) was the rank system of Waffen-SS.

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I dunno if this should go here or in the European rank section, but since it does fall under the category of 'hypothetical', I'll post it here. What if the Kriegsmarine had standard-duty officer uniforms similar to the U.S. Navy khakis? Anyone care to speculate how the collar insignia would look? F...

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I think that Corsican military ranks would show a net difference from French ones, but I also think Corsican leaders would carefully avoid any resemblance with Italian ranks, too. Maybe Corsican rank insignia would be a sort of compromise, chosing a German-looking officer rank set, which is based on...

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Many authors of science fiction and/or alternate history have guessed a world with a standing Nazi Germany. For what regards rank insignia, we have a solid example about possible future Nazi ranks with the GDR rank insignia, although I think that some facing colours would have not changed. However, ...

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They seem be fitting with any requirement of US military style :D

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