World government ranks and insignia

[Lord Cybran]

Hello,

Long time ago, I, as Cyberwarrior (I've lost access to that account) created a topic here where I asked what would ranks and insignia for the armed forces in a world government would look like. Apparently, the topic was deleted, as I linked images from imageshack.us in a way which no longer works.

I made some sketches and our own Medic_in_Uniform came up with some awesome versions of those insignia, which I thought it was a good idea to make available at this forum again.

Army (green), Air Force (Air Force blue), Navy (Navy blue) and Space Fleet (gray):

Medical Service:

Naval Marines:

Space Marines:

Uniforms (for the five services):

Uniforms (for Naval Marines):

Uniforms (for Space Marines):

[Medic_in_Uniform]

Wow...! Hey, I remember those -- Flashback!!

I'm sure that thread is still kicking around her somewhere...

[Lord Cybran]

When I first created the original thread, someone (I don't remember who) said that Senior Enlisted Advisors (SEAs) were a very US thing, so I dropped those positions from my original chart. But it looks like, since then, an increasing number of forces worldwide have imported the idea from them (on Wikipedia alone, I already found 7 countries other than the US which have those positions: Australia, Canada, Denmark, New Zealand, Singapore, South Africa and United Kingdom), so I decided to recreate the positions for WG armed forces.

The insignia for SEAs consists on the same as E-7, with the UN emblem above it. Like today's armed forces, there will be one SEA per force.

I made a separate chart for SEAs so that the chart provided by Medic would not grow too much in size.

[Medic_in_Uniform]

Seems fair enough to me!




It was quite a few years ago but, if I remember correctly, the concept was that as this was effectively starting from scratch, the patterns of the uniforms wold be based on the same generic design but with differing base colours for each service and rank markings could be standardised for instant recognition across all the branches of the services.

You know, if I was to take another pass at those now, I'm sure I'd do something slightly different -- although it would definitely be one of those things where I'm not sure exactly *what* it would be, and it would evolve as I started drawing and working it out as I went along...!

[marcpasquin]

The insignias look good but to me the system looks visually and its application too much like some sort of US-canadian joint organisation.

A world system to me would be one that is modular as it would originally have had to allow for national armed forces with various number of ranks not only overall but at each level.

The system then would concentrate on division based on function and then subdivided, so that you could have, strictly for the sake of example:

Enlisted: soldier with no or limited command power
junior sub-officer: soldier with command power over small units or assistant to higher officer
Senior sub-officer: administrative sub-officer to larger units
technical officer: specialised officer without command power outside its speciality.
cadet officer: command officer in formation
junior officer: direct command of fixed units
senior officer: in command of fixed units via delegated power to junior officers
Higher officer: in command of modular units

so originally personnel would have been given a rank equivalent to 1-5 scale (or more) so that every ranks would have been represented and as a further development, some ranks would have ceased to exist over time due to attrition.

[Miklós Lovász]

Great work, Mark!
Just one point: how d'you think the Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, etc would react to wearing a cross?
Or the Christians to wearing an inverted cross?
The four and five-dots ranks perhaps would do better with a circular or diamond-shaped arrangement... wouldn't you say?

[marcpasquin]

Great work, Mark!
Just one point: how d'you think the Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, etc would react to wearing a cross?
Or the Christians to wearing an inverted cross?
The four and five-dots ranks perhaps would do better with a circular or diamond-shaped arrangement... wouldn't you say?

didn't think about that (being an atheist) but that's a fair point.

Worldgov 2.0:

[Miklós Lovász]

Excellent!

[Lord Cybran]

Wow! Marc, you did a nice job making a new set of insignia that actually breaks tradition. This would suit a global force very well.

Now I'm thinking about the uniforms. Which kind of uniforms would be a match for those futuristic insignia? I thought of something like these Star Trek uniforms I found on DeviantArt (link: https://jjohnson1701.deviantart.com/art ... -383721110), with insignia on the shoulder stripe. Perhaps we should use different colors, or change some details here and there (obviously, we'll have to remove the Star Trek logo )

[Lord Cybran]

Hello,

I picked the uniforms I posted before and repainted them to use the colors proposed by Medic at the images on the opening of the thread. I only allowed myself to do that because the uniforms drawn by JJohnson1701 are non-canonical.

[Lord Cybran]

Hello everyone,

I've made some new insignia for the ranks at the beginning of the topic. For this, I tried to break tradition of current armed forces (for general officers, I couldn't find anything that suits them better than stars...)

[Lord Cybran]

And these are the ranks for Marines. There are two Marine Corps in the planned world gov't: Naval Marines, which will work as "soldiers afloat" like the Marine Corps we have today, and the Space Marines, which will work the same way, but in space.

[Helios88]

Stars may be replaced by the emblems of the individual services.

[Lord Cybran]

I followed Helios88's suggestion and here's what I've got.

[Lord Cybran]

And these are the new ranks for Marines.

[Helios88]

I think in this way services retain their pattern uniformity, but at the same time also retain a certain degree of individuality.

[Lord Cybran]

Thinking about the individuality aspect, I've changed all insignia to include the forces' logos. It became like this:

[Lord Cybran]

And these are the new insignia for Marines.

[Lord Cybran]

Oh, I was forgetting the Medical Service (mentioned at the beginning of this thread). It's a fifth branch of Earth Armed Forces (seventh, if you count the Naval Marines and Space Marines as separate entities from the Navy and Space Fleet, respectively), which is responsible for every health-related aspect in the Armed Forces. In its ranks we have doctors, dentists, pharmacists, nurses, paramedics, combat medics, ambulance drivers, etc. among other health professionals.

[Helios88]

Ranks up to Captain use the Army system, don't they?
I think they may be renamed as "Physician" 1st and 2nd class and "Probationary". :)

[Lord Cybran]

I don't think "Physician" would be an appropriate title for officer ranks, as the Medical Service envisioned first by Medic_in_Uniform and then by me will be responsible for all health-related aspects in the Armed Forces, and therefore not all officers will be physicians (we will have dentists as well, for example). Think of it, physicians studied for more than 6 years to get their title, they surely wouldn't like anyone else to hold a title they worked so hard to get, would they? BTW, I'm starting to think that we should call this service "Health Service" instead...

Another thing we were talking about on the original thread was about the police force. The force I'm envisioning would be a single police force, organized much like a gendarmerie, with powers to arrest people anywhere (in flagrant or with a warrant, of course), conduct investigations and perform patrol duties, among other duties related to law enforcement. I made their insignia silver on blue (a different shade of blue than those of Air Force and Navy), and for service emblem I chose an 8-pointed star (the first design I made featured a 6-pointed star, but then I realized that it would be too easy to associate with Israel or Jews, which would make many people frown upon it).

[Helios88]

If the force is a Gendarmerie, i.e. a military corps with police duties (also military police/provosts?), there is little reason to adopt "civilian" titles for officers' ranks. :-)

[Lord Cybran]

Helios88, you've got a point, here. I've changed the ranks to military ones, so that the police force would be known as the sixth uniformed service (eighth, if you count the Naval and Space Marines as separate entities from their parent services).

[Helios88]

Maybe the civilian constabulary may retain civilian rank titles

[jrichardn2]

Re Constabulary/Gendarmerie: if it has military police duties (like France's Gendarmerie), then military ranks are appropriate (but see below). However, famous English-language gendarmeries (the Royal Irish Constabulary, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the British South African Police) used police-type ranks.

You could argue that if the Constabulary is a parallel service it can have its unique style of rank titles even if it does have military police functions.

[Helios88]

Re Constabulary/Gendarmerie: if it has military police duties (like France's Gendarmerie), then military ranks are appropriate (but see below). However, famous English-language gendarmeries (the Royal Irish Constabulary, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the British South African Police) used police-type ranks.

You could argue that if the Constabulary is a parallel service it can have its unique style of rank titles even if it does have military police functions.

Spanish Guardia Civil, Romanian Jandarmeria, Chinese Peopole's Armed Police, State Military Police forces in Brazil, Portoguese National Republican Guard are all military corps, without provost duties and with military-stile rank titles.
As far as I know, RIC, RCMP and BSAP are and were paramilitary organizations but without military status. :-)
It is up to Lord Cybran: only he may decide the exact nature of the law enforcement agency/agencies. However some police forces retain rank insignia closely related to military rank insignia.

[jrichardn2]

Of course it all depends on your definition of military v. paramilitary. The BSAP in the Bush War certainly had military functions, and had some clearly military formations. Even today the RCMP is (proudly) characterized as a "regiment of dragoons", and was somewhat militarized during WWII.

I don't really disagree with using military rank titles. Just saying that police-type rank titles (at least in an English-speaking context) wouldn't stop a gendarmerie from being, well, a gendarmerie or corps of provosts.

[Lord Cybran]

After reading recent Helios88 and jrichardn2' recent replies, I came to the conclusion I must read more about gendarmeries, corps of provosts and the organization of police forces before coming up with rank structure and insignia for an Earth Police Force.

For now, I just thought changing the two most junior ranks in the force to "Policeman". I think this fits better a gendarmerie.

[Lord Cybran]

These are the insignia for officer cadets.

[Helios88]

Cool insignia! :)

[Lord Cybran]

Hey Helios88 - glad you liked it!

Now that I mentioned police force, I'm thinking about firefighters. Should we have local firefighter corps on each town, like in the US, or should we have a big, global one?

I've made a new set of insignia based on the others I'd already made, assuming that we have a big, global, military-like organized Firefighter Corps. This would be responsible not only for fighting fires, but for conducting every kind of rescue operations, on land, sea and perhaps even space.

For the emblem of the Corps, I chose a version of the Maltese cross often used as emblem for fire departments. I made the shoulder boards red, but I'm thinking on putting them on blue uniforms - of the same shade as police uniforms.

[Helios88]

Hey Helios88 - glad you liked it!

Now that I mentioned police force, I'm thinking about firefighters. Should we have local firefighter corps on each town, like in the US, or should we have a big, global one?

I've made a new set of insignia based on the others I'd already made, assuming that we have a big, global, military-like organized Firefighter Corps. This would be responsible not only for fighting fires, but for conducting every kind of rescue operations, on land, sea and perhaps even space.

For the emblem of the Corps, I chose a version of the Maltese cross often used as emblem for fire departments. I made the shoulder boards red, but I'm thinking on putting them on blue uniforms - of the same shade as police uniforms.

I am always in favour of large, elephantiac and cumbersome organizations. In case there are several, city-level organizations, ranks may be kept, with some modifications:
- E-7A would disappear;
- O-7 to O-10 would disappear;
- O-10A would be transformed in the head of the government agency tasked to coordinate the organizations in case of large-scale operations;
- O-7 rank insignia would be proper of O-6.

[Lord Cybran]

Thinking about the individuality aspect, I've changed all insignia to include the forces' logos. It became like this:

New version of the military insignia, this time with fixed anchors:

[Lord Cybran]

These are the insignia for officer cadets.

Oh, I was forgetting to fix the anchor for officer cadet insignia. New version here:

[Lord Cybran]

Hello,

Apparently, the USSF have decided to use rank titles very similar to USAF's, which in turn are very similar to Army's. And it's not hard to imagine that other space forces created after it will end up doing the same.

Therefore, I decided that the Space Fleet of previous posts on this topic will be called Space Force, and that it will have Army ranks (except for E-1 and E-2 which are called "Crewman".

Attached is the rank chart with updated text.

[Lord Cybran]

Earth Empire

All nations have become one, under the benevolent rule of an Emperor. Earth has become peaceful at last, but Armed Forces still are required to maintain peace, should anyone turn against the Empire.

Here's a coat of arms I made for it:

New set of insignia for all forces in it:

Army, Air Force, Navy and Space Force:

Marines (Naval and Space):

Police:

Firefighter Corps:

Emperor (as Commander-in-Chief):