Uniform Insignia Forum

Since other have posted their creation, I will contribute too.

These ranks were created for a friend's alternate history where the White army won over the communists during the russian civil war.

Just like the soviet in latter years, they are inspired by the imperial rank insignia tho in this case, it is not the board or lines that indicate the service but the pips for the officers and warrant officers and bars for the sergents.

you can see them directly here:

http://www.angelfire.com/freak/foti/ib/uni/rank-snor.html

or if you want to also see the uniforms, on the main page, click on Ill bethisad (the name of the shared alternate history world) then uniforms.

http://www.angelfire.com/freak/foti/

Snorism, what is that?

Marc,

Very nice! I enjoyed them alot.

Thanks,
Erskine

---- lordziba Post subject:
> Snorism, what is that?

this is an article written by its creator:

http://joe.thehilltribe.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SNOR

Erskine Calderon Post subject:

> Very nice! I enjoyed them alot.

cheers for that

Link is not working :(

http://www.angelfire.com/freak/foti/ib/uni/rank-snor.html

I've uploaded them here:

http://ib.frath.net/w/Uniforms_and_insignias

Look under russia

Marc Pasquin

Hey Marc, this is Ziba. Very interesting illustrations, but I would do differently some states though. First to Alyaska. If I know the SNOR history somewhat, Alyaska should be independent during civil war, but here in 1954, nevertheless, then how come, they are using Soviet insignias of 1945-1991? If they Russian-based, then the Alyaskin military should utilize tzarist Russian or Bolshevik and so forth insignia of the time. FYI, in the real universe there was a so-called Far Eastern Soviet Democratic Republic, at least you could base insignias on them (FESDR relied on rhomb patch insignias with variety of stripes similar that you designed for Alyaskin Navy). Next the uniform for Quebec or New Francy could be, but full dress I would originate from the first kingdom period of Marine Fusilier troops, insignias somewhat right. And finally Louisiana. Uniform make sense since they republicans, but insignias I ‘d change into an US-like version of each pin – different rank, not just lines (I like, when you based them on Slovenian ranks though).

To Ziba:

Alyeska: those are the ranks decide by its creator, I just drew them. From what I remember, although similar, they are meant to be tsarist insignias that have been communistified.

New Francy: Most of the ranks used under the ancient regime would have made little sense in the modern context (poistion and style of fringes). the system I used is based on the decoration on some. the dark blue uniform is base on the one used by the Navy Free Companies which served in the colony (they usualy removed their whiteish justaucorps for labours and during summer). a modern recreation:

http://www.scfm.ca/cfm/gallerie/louisbourg_99/17.jpg

Their ceremonial uniform I had imagined to be greyish white.

Louisiana: these are french style ranks evolution but using US style pins. It is simply meant as an "echo" of sort.

Thank you Marc for responding to my post. After reading your message regarding New Francy, I stated again, I have no problem there, just full dress would look like the Louise Marine-Fusilier Troops, e.i. Special hats and so forth. Louisiana, I would change rank insignias, not titles, they all right and cool, from Sous-Lieutenant to Chef de Battalion, more or less like US in terms of bars, and some like I donno, what national symbol of the state in gold and silver for rest till General raw. Ok, now to Alyaska. First, I don’t really care, it is your creation, second, don’t take it personally, I just wanna some sort tangible improvement. Even though according to the author (whoever he is) Alaska became independent in that universe in 1954, and became eventually Socialist (Soviet) state, which doesn’t mean that for some reason insignias should look like modern Russian Federation/ USSR hybrid, despite the socialist/communist flavor. If in the Civil War Bolshevik failed, then there was no chance of victory at battle of Moscow, and offensive of 1943, where Stalin decided in order to lift the Red Army spirit and to show to the world and people that this is a PATRIOTIC war, to re-introduce old tsarist insignias. I remember, I red or heard somewhere, some several versions were given to him, and Stalin just pick one of the modifications, so as the result the insignias lookalike now. So, assuming this never happened, in that universe, firstly, the hatred for shoulder bars of tsarist model were so intense, that new Communists would not introduce on a first place. However, secondly ok, after all it was “1954,” let say, “they get over the hatred,” shoulder bars would correspond not to the ranks and titles of 1943 but of 1920's. For example army rank of Junior Lieutenant, and navy rank Captain of the 3rd rank was a pure Soviet invention of 1937 or so, thus, the ranks of Socialist Alaska should be like that: Praporschick (Ensign), Lieutenant, Senior Lieutenant, Captain (note: Stuff-Captain was so hated), anyway, Major, Colonel, Major-General, Lieutenant-General, Force or Full General, Marshal, Chief Marshal, and finally Chief Marshal of the Republic. I sincerely hope this somehow explains my sort of disagreement.

Ziba.

Ziba,

I didn't take it personnaly and you're more then welcome to write your objection on the discution page of the rank insignias in question.

Hey, if u want, I can submit my version, just gimme where to send.

Ziba

just sign on to the IBwiki, upload the image and tag it as a proposal and then wait for comments.

Hello everybody, there some new art regarding the Soviet Alyeskin Republic could be found at these links:

http://ib.frath.net/w/Image%3AA-C-2.GIF
http://ib.frath.net/w/Image%3AAA-1mk1.GIF
http://ib.frath.net/w/Image%3AAlyaska.JPG

Ziba

That is a awesome site full of nice graphics

oops didnt sign in

That is a awesome site full of nice uniform and insignia graphics it needs some medals and ribbons.